

I have a great male friend from college who engages me in long email conversations about men, women and the things in between us. Coming off of the heels of a recent discussion, my dear co-hort hit me with the following email:
Sis: I was recently listening to a good amount of “conscious” Hip Hop stuff, and I was loving it, but then I started thinking that maybe I just related to it because I am a man. Hip Hop has been almost exclusive to the male mind frame. Both ignorant and conscious rap speaks of male ideals and lifestyles whether it be sexual conquests, or general aggression and man type issues. There aren’t many viable female MCs for women to relate to.Â
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I know that you are a “live and die for Hip Hop” kind of female, but, outside of party tracks….
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What does current Hip Hop have to offer women?
I was taken aback by this one, because while I have pondered the space that Hip-Hop (particularly as it exists today) holds in my life, I have never heard ANY male question what Hip-Hop means to women, or how we reconcile our gender identity and maintain an allegiance to such a hyper masculine art form. It took me off guard, but I did my best to offer an insightful answer:
 I think that Hip-Hop, much like the Black Power Movement, has taken on a very masculine identity while still pretending to be somewhat all inclusive. Whereas the Black power movement leaned primarily towards female abandonment, forcing traditional gender roles in the efforts to “remasuclate the Black man” and ignoring women, the Hip-Hop of today (including the “conscious” stuff) is actually anti-female. Like, hateful. Women are treated at best like 50’s housewives (be pretty, be submissive, be quiet) and at worse, like accessories (be available for my pleasure when I deem you worthy). With the exception of the rare female emcee who gets her probs (usually begrudgingly) or the anthem about the “special ladies” or the “Hot Thang” (which usually features the standard video models: ethnically ambiguous, long-weaved and undynamic), women seem to occupy the same space in Hip-Hop that Stokely Carmichael reserved for women in the Black Power Movement: prone*.
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Brief interjection: Hip-Hop is, obviously, about a lot more than gender politics. Race and class are huge factors in the genre, and give women a place to understand and connect to the music a bit more. However, sex is married to race and class and it all comes together at the end.
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What do I, Sister Toldja, get from Hip-Hop in 2008? At times it seems like very little, aside from aural pleasure. See, most of the stuff I listen to came out in the 1990’s. So some of the slights that I would be sensitive to from a modern rapper, I ignore because of the nostalgia. When I listened to the Digable Planets in 1995, I needed them to tell me how Souter and Thomas threatened a woman’s reproductive rights or about Max Roach and Mumia Abu Jamal. Now, I know those things. In fact, I think I am more intelligent than most rappers. So the educational value has waned. I suppose I’m getting a lot of insight about the male mind, but Hip-Hop contains a bravado and machismo that I would HATE to believe exists inside the average male. Cause if it does, I ain’t NEVER getting married…
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I love Mos, I love Common, I love Kweli, but even these dudes say some stuff that makes me go “Huh?” Like, when a male emcee personifies another emcee as a woman to offend him. I’m at the show too, I’m in the audience, I’m buying the records. But I don’t feel welcome, I don’t feel like I am a part of what’s going on. Being a female Hip-Hop fan, especially a sista (because I think we tend to want/expect more from the brothers), I feel like I’m watching a pissing contest through a peephole. Any minute, some dude is gonna catch me and remind me that I’m not supposed to be there.
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Example: Little Brother. I like them, but they are coming at the girls HARD sometimes: “Tell em something funny while they rub on my tummy/three o’clock, have they ass run to Waffle House for me”. WHAT? That’s not cool, cute, sexy or funny in my mind. I guess he’s a “playa”, sending a woman out the house at 3AM for some food. I guess that was the tap on the shoulder, the reminder. “Sister/girl/bitch, you aren’t supposed to be here.”
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The blame for the relationship between Hip-Hop and women doesn’t go to the men alone. The women validate the rappers’ masculinity, success and give silent agreement to the notion that it’s okay to talk about us like dogs. And in our female need to be included, wanted and desired, we play along. We discuss the brilliance of Biggie, and ignore the lyrics about beating his woman’s ass (and the reports that he did just that when married to Faith). We hide behind the shield of “he ain’t talking about me” when the lyrics get foul and hold even the slightest hint of female-praise as evidence that (insert typically-misogynistic male rapper’s name here) is “a good dude”. We show up at the concert, even though we aren’t really welcome until the afterparty, where we can toot our asses up to the latest jams and grind on men who have yet to transcend prepubescent notions of gender and sex.
So what relevance does Hip-Hop have for women today? Some days, I really don’ t know. Evidence that we still have a long damn way to go with gender politics? The view from the other side of the fence? Masochism? Maybe all of that and then some. Don’t get me wrong, I still love Hip-Hop, or perhaps .02 percent of it. But I love me more.
*Prone- serving no real purpose beyond simply being present.
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April 14th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
perfect title (I love that song) and a good response.
Although I’m not just listening to Hip-Hop in the 90’s.. different songs just serve differ purposes for me. I love Hip-Hop and often I just don’t make it about me, or specifically my gender. I view a song as “their shit,” and take what I want from it. This may be seen as a cop out but it’s kind of my vice…as well as liking a couple video models and when I used to watch porn.
It’s difficult to shield something so prevalent that’s within society, one of those issues that’s put on the back burner. Gender bias is apart of our culture IMO. When I hang around some of my guy friends - they have this vision of masculinity and I recognize it. I check em, but that dynamic will always be there until there’s some coming together between women, a mutual understanding or when ppl just get smarter (which is looking dim in Cali, damn governor :\). Either way, Hip-Hop couldn’t hurt to be a little more mature or versatile.
This is all starting to remind me of J*Davey’s Gangsta. lol..
April 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I’ve gotten into knock down drag out arguments with some of my best male friends and even family members because I chose to call them out on a couple things. Like why is every derogatory term or put down that men throw at each other related to the female anatomy or otherwise feminized in some way? The worst insults males trade between one another directly relate to women and they don’t understand how that translates. What kind of signal does that send to our daughters or sisters or mothers? Basically, don’t be a girl. If I listened to hip-hop, which I do and love… and if I took it literally… I think we as women would not be too far off the mark in saying we’re hated, objectified, and left wanting. I still can’t reconcile what I see in the videos. No one can answer for me why I have to keep watching half naked women jiggling when it has nothing to do with the song. Hell, I’d even be all for equality and seeing men just as undressed but it’ll never happen. A man will still walk around fully clothed in the dead of winter in a hoodie but they’ll find a way to put a girl in acrylic heels and a bikini even if it is lined with fur. I don’t understand. I don’t know where to look anymore for an explanation when no one is exactly forcing these women to be in these videos and yet there don’t exactly seem to be any other roles for them as such. How many model/actress/video girls can we raise? Hmmmm… I still have a lot to think about and probably much much more to be angry at. That life is not a career move for the daughter I’m going to have one day. I’m just glad there are still a few very intelligent men out there who can separate out the bull-ish hip-hop as entertainment and still be respectful grown assed men.
April 15th, 2008 at 8:24 am
excellent post, sis. this is especially right on time as egotrip’s Miss Rap Supreme premiered last night and as i watched the bufoonery, i kept wondering - “where/how do women fit into hip hop??”
November 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
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